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What lawyers say about AI, said by big law. 549 public voices since 2023, as of : 198 like what they use and 219 do not. Most discussed: Harvey (274 voices, 82 like and 116 dislike); ChatGPT (96 voices, 34 like and 45 dislike); Claude (39 voices, 28 like and 7 dislike). The most common complaint is accuracy (146 voices) and the most common thing they value is time saved (78 voices).
Associates and partners at large firms, mostly from r/biglaw. 549 voices on record since 2023: 198 like what they use, 219 don’t, the rest are mixed or neutral.
How a voice lands here: it was posted in a community for that seat (r/biglaw, r/LawFirm, r/paralegal) or the author says it in their own words (“I work in-house”, “our small firm”). Everything else is “not stated” and stays out of this page.
Quoted voices · newest first (463)
“I haven't done a full calculation but I I'd estimate that that $20 a month plan gives you literally thousands of dollars of claude usage at pay-as-you-go prices.”
in “The cost issue with AI that no one talks about”
“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyMixed“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
“I like to think of Harvey as an energetic junior, does their best, a fine starting point, but doesn’t produce a product I’d be willing to send a client without a deeeep review”
in “Harvey / Legora are awful.” · 38 voices
HarveyValues“Boomer here, but I think Harvey is incredible.”open
HarveyValues“When you know what you are doing and what you want, Harvey is great IMO.”open
“CoCounsel allows you to build workflows and combine with other sources too, though.”open
HarveyValues“The US caselaw search is better because you can combine it with other sources so you can have it look through a set of litigation documents and run caselaw research to help figure out their significance at the same time.”open
“To be very clear, in my experience having these systems finely tuned to your individual work vs the level of tuning you can get out of harvey/cocounsel/co-pilot can represent 2-3x productivity increases.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey vault is amazing for working with discovery productions.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey also has a US Caselaw database where whichever model you pick will directly search for cases in the database.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey can be used with Astra 6 or Fable, your firm just has to agree to API pricing.”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey uses the Chat GPT and Claude models and you can actually pick which model.”open
ChatGPTValues“What pisses me off is that our clients ARE using Claude and ChatGPT themselves and we’re stuck using these inferior models.”open
HarveyNeutral“Alls I know is that I can’t keep track of all the platforms so I stick to my mans Harvey even though the other mans might be better.”open
HarveyNeutral“You do realize that Harvey was literally just an interface to access Claude since day 1.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey and Legora are inferior products, by magnitudes, and any firm that exclusively relies on these tools is falling behind in productivity and associate satisfaction.”open
“If you are using Fable and you give it enough project data, it can function like your associate on that case who has a mastery of facts and super fast turnaround.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey sucks because it's just an API built on top of open-source AI models, which are way behind the models currently available through openAI or Claude.”open
HarveyCriticizesYounger lawyers who grew up with general AI tools would be disadvantaged by using Harvey, while older lawyers can be forgiven for adopting it. (summary, not a quote)openHarveyCriticizes“This is basically a fine tuned version of the Kimi K3 model which they claim is better but is clearly worse”open
HarveyNeutral“Harvey does have its own propriety model. And yes, if you select a specific model, only the output is generated by that model, not all of the intervening tasks.”open
HarveyNeutral“There is no “Harvey” model. Harvey just picks one of the models based on your prompt.”open
HarveyValues“Harvey's been killing it for me on the transaction side with the rote drafting and title work.”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
“I’ve been really impressed and don’t see how a tool could be much better”open
HarveyValues“I use Harvey daily and think it’s a fantastic product (as long as you use it to supplement, not replace your work product)”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
“I use co counsel for litigation and i find it is much more accurate for litigation research than claude, chatgpt, or gemini.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Even when I add docs to a vault and ask for a review table, getting Harvey to actually “read” the docs is like pulling teeth.”open
“Claude code with a syfert.com MCP (or a courtlistener MCP, or ding duff) is 500% better than Harvey and Legora.”open
HarveyMixed“It’s usually right but the times it isn’t it’s REALLY wrong.”open
HarveyCriticizes“I also do not think I’m getting real Opus 5 when I select it in Harvey. And it’s hella slow.”open
HarveyCriticizes“Harvey profits by arbitrating token costs, so they use the cheapest models they think can get away with for the bulk of response.”open
HarveyCriticizes“They came out years later than Harvey, when firms already adopted Harvey, but yeah, firms should abandon Harveyw”open
“My firm has Harvey and CoCounsel, and I just use CC bc it has access to Westlaw.”open
HarveyCriticizes“It routinely gives me genuinely “lazy” answers that fail to address what are obviously critical aspects of the issue, in a way that is not true of Fable or Astra”open
HarveyCriticizes“The only reason firms choose Harvey is it doesn’t use our data to train its AI due to confidentiality, or else they are trash”open
HarveyCriticizes“All other tasks, such as the actual research, review, etc, are handled by whatever model Harvey wants, including their own shitty “proprietary” models.”open
